The good, the bad and the ugly of vendor support and what you can do about it

Lately I am hearing MSPs say they aren’t getting the support they need from their vendors. Why does this not surprise me? I am not trying to call anyone out, but come on people, these MSPs are trying to run a business and support their clients.  They need your support staff to be more attentive to their needs. I understand being short- handed, but some partners have told me they have had to wait over a week to get a call back. In this post, I am going to discuss the Good, the Bad and the you have got to be kidding me of vendor support.

Many people know Scott Barlow of Reflexion.  Behind Scott is a team of skilled engineers, developers and support personnel.  A couple of weeks ago I was moving my exchange server from one hosted firm to another. The new hosting company had an issue with something.  I think that it might have been active directory with my account. Anyway, for almost 2 days I wasn’t getting any email to Outlook.  But, because I had Reflexion’s RADAR solution for email archiving, I didn’t miss a beat or an email. Without RADAR, I surely would have missed out on important communications with my clients.  The funny thing is just today a partner I coach told me, “Reflexion is the type of vendor that all other vendors should look to on how to do it.”

While I would never call any one vendor out by name, some vendors out there should take a look at how they support their clients. This not only goes for our industry, but any B2B business. We have all experienced terrible situations with vendors.  The question is how can we, the customer, help these vendors improve their service standards? Sure, we could take the hard line and stop buying from them.  That could hurt them, but it could hurt us more.  After all, they already have our money!  Another tactic we could take is to tell our peers about our bad experience.  That will certainly get people talking and maybe the vendor will call to discuss the situation.  No matter what happens or how heated the discussion might become I hope no partner of mine would say anything negative about a vendor, peer, co-worker or employee.

I want to stop beating up the vendors now and talk directly to you, the MSP.  Frankly there is only one thing you can do and that is stop complaining and get to talking.  Contact your representative at the vendor. If you can’t reach them, then contact their supervisor.  Be calm but firm and tell them that you aren’t happy with their support. You are their customer! If they won’t listen to you, escalate it to someone above them. You absolutely must work your relationship with your vendors to make things happen.

Another way to get their attention and discuss your concerns is to attend their user conferences. These events take place all the time.  The Autotask Community Live event is April 18 – 20, 2010 in Miami, Kaseya is planning their event at the Four Seasons in Las Vegas, Connec+Wise has their event in November, N-Able has an event as well, and last year it was in Scottsdale, AZ. You can easily get face time with the C-Level of your vendors at their user conferences.  But even more importantly, you can talk to your peers who may be having the same issues as you.  You will definitely find strength in numbers which is something the vendors will not be able to ignore.

My hope is that all vendors and MSPs get it together. We as an industry need to start communicating better and use the tools available to us to get the jobs done.

I wish you all a great week and hope to see you at Spring Training for Business March 10 – 13 in Mesa, AZ or at a conference this year.

All the best in success,

Stu

5 comments (Add your own)

1. Amy Babinchak wrote:
Stu,

I agree with everything you have said here. In my local IT business, Harbor Computer Services, I continually strive to deepen the relationship we have with our vendors. Because when something goes wrong (and it will) I want to know that I have good contacts within that company to be able to provide my clients with great service.

However, as MSP's we must also recognize that application vendors cannot solve all of our problems. There are limitations to the support that they can provide. No application stands alone, it is part of an integrated system of which the application vendor has no knowledge or expertise. It is unreasonable for us to expect that they would or could support all of these situations. They simple won't have the expertise needed. This is where Third Tier comes in. At Third Tier, we have consultants with deep expertise in specific technologies and we can work with your vendor or with your staff to resolve complex issues.

No IT person or IT company should operate as an island. There is simply too much know. By developing deeper relationships with your vendors and other partners to broaden your ability to support a wider range of situations your business has a much improved opportunity to thrive.

February 2, 2010 @ 10:10 AM

2. Kevin Carlson wrote:
I will call out someone for you... KASEYA. Every time I submit a ticket it sits for at least 24 hours. Then I get a response We are escalating, then it sits... never to be heard from again. By the way they dont answer live calls anymore, they have lost focus on what customers want, and yet we persist on paying thousands of dollars a month for this.

I will second the prise on Reflexion.
Connectwise does a great job too.

February 6, 2010 @ 10:29 AM

3. Jeff Auerbach wrote:
We too have had HUGE problems with KASEYA ranging from the product just not working, to getting information from support regarding our issues. Even after our problems(s) were solved, we never understood what the problem was. The communication has been disjointed and just plain horrible. It hasn't gotten worse, it's always been bad. Now that the market is starting to open up with more players, with compelling products, Kaseya will eventually lose it's frontrunner position if it doesn't listen to it's customers.

Getting back to Amy's post... It's been challenging to build relationships with certain vendors,i.e, Kaseya, as they would only talk to us when we either purchase more seats or if I complain loud enough. KASEYA, get your act together!

We've had success with Connectwise support, and with Zenith Infotech.

Stu has been a big help for us with our vendors. He has facilitated some important vendor relationships with us.

K

February 7, 2010 @ 1:33 PM

4. Stuart Selbst wrote:
I have emailed Brendan Cosgrave at Kaseya about these issues, his reply was, "Hopefully I'll be able to leverage more comments like these in the social web to drive real improvement in support and general business exchanges. Thanks for pointing them out."

Let's see if Kaseya can step it up for you with these issues.

Stu

February 8, 2010 @ 8:33 AM

5. Jim Van wrote:
Generally speaking, we haven't had any problems with Kaseya, although it could be that have have Virtual Administrator in between, as we run through them, and have a seperate NOC that handles most issues. We did have a previous vendor, who I won't call out, that kept changing their model: help desk->no help desk->help desk, marketing support->no marketing support..we then moved on. If our clients demand consistency,how can we provide it if the sands around us are shifting all the time? A good wake up call for other vendors out there.

For the most part, I do my best to keep a good relationship with our vendors, as good as I do with my clients. When I have an issue, I don't hesitate to call my contact at the vendor's and express my issue. I've almost never had a case where a vendor didn't bend over backwards to try to get the issue resolved ASAP. It's just too competitive a marketplace.

While I won't mention the bad vendors, I will give a shout to ones that have been exceptional in Logicomm's dealings: ConnectWise, Virtual Administrator, TrendMicro, Absolute Software and ZOHO. Coincidentally, most have been in our stack for at least a year. Hmmmm....

One good lesson learned in dealing with less-than-stellar vendors is how NOT to treat your own clients. We've won several nice deals based on the fact that the previous MSP or VAR has simply disappeared by walking away from the client. Duh.....

Jim Van
Logicomm, Inc.
http://www.logicomm-inc.com

February 10, 2010 @ 2:32 PM

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